Sunday, February 26, 2006
Shadow Walker you were wondering if I was an ITNJ or an INTP. I tried the test, (though it could have been a different one, because it wasn't on the same Website as the one I tried before) and I didn't get either. Which I know is wrong. I've got to be one or the other. So I looked around on the tbq forum and read an article you posted a link to. Oh, by the by I was curious myself that's why I bothered with it. That and bored. Anyway, this is it (just so you don't have to fish around for it). And don't skip I'll interject my comment in it. Or if you're lazy, my comments are italicized.
INTjs and INTps can have very similar behaviour, interests and even appearance. However, when it comes to intertype relations there is a big difference between these two, because one's Dual is the other's Conflicting type. Also, two INTjs or two INTps can co-exist quite peacefully, whereas an INTj and an INTp do not make a very promising combination. Join any INTj discussion forum or mailing list and you can see this Quasi-identical tension for yourself. This is because there are many INTps among those INTjs.
Why do INTps test as INTjs? Because it is possible that some INTps actually do behave in such way that they could be mistaken for Judging types. The common perception of Perceiving types is as disorganised, unreliable and wavering. There are INTps out there that are, on the contrary, organised, reliable and unwavering or at least they may behave as such. As a result they often score as Js. But let's not forget that type is not about how you behave, it is about how your psyche is structured, which in return influences your behaviour in one way or another. Taking more tests or reading more type descriptions may not give an answer to the INTj/INTp question for the reasons explained above. The right way to distinguish between these two types is by making a comparison on a "molecular" level.
I have thought of the difference between the INTJ and the INTP as being mostly being an organized/disorganized thing before now. I'm organized to a degree; I don't tolerate food or food garbage in my room. But other then that my room is a wreck. I'm reliable, if I remember what you want me to do and am willing to do it. I can be wavering at times but not always. And I'm mostly wavering on things like stem cell research that are controversial anyway.
Let's take a look at INTj's main function - introverted thinking (). INTjs are mainly interested in accumulating an understanding. They want to know why and what causes things happen the way they happen. They want to know and see the logic behind everything. If "it" does not contradict logic then "it" is right, otherwise "it" is wrong. INTps on the other hand seem to be logical too as their second strong function is extroverted thinking (). However, if for INTjs it is about gaining understanding, for INTps it is about exercising their knowledge, and therefore they mostly concern themselves with known facts. Moreover, INTj's logic is their area of confidence and conservatism. This makes their logic fundamental, meaning once the rules are established, they can be applied anywhere. INTps logic is their area of creativity. This makes their logic circumstantial and unpredictable - the rules apply here but may not apply there.
Here I'm more like the INTJ. Accumulating and understudying is very me. I'm always wanting to know why. It really gets ridiculous sometimes. For instance: you tell me how a something works at a cellular level, then I'll want to know how it works at a molecular level, then an atomic level, etc... That why I find String Theory so very, very fascinating. I do like knowing facts though. It's just not as important to me.
The same goes for Intuition. INTp's main function is introverted intuition (). Since introverted intuition is about internal wholeness or belief, this manifests itself in INTps being highly religious and spiritual people. It is also their area of confidence and conservatism and they will not welcome anything that could disturb that internal wholeness. And since you can believe in things that are not necessarily there or actually true, INTps criticise a lot. As for INTjs, their intuition is their second strong function, which is extroverted intuition (). Extroverted intuition is about perspective and potential and because it is INTj's creative output, their "creations" could be very unexpected and original, often bearing a high potential for future development. So, combining two and two together, INTjs are in their element when involved with science, invention, innovation, discovery, theory, explanation, interpretation, philosophy etc. INTps are in their element when involved with business, enterprise, commerce, industry, trade, financial institutions, church etc.
If I'm going to go on the listed areas INT()'s are most in their element, then I'd go INTJ. That part about intuition is their second strong function rings true. That internal wholeness bit is important to me to a degree, but the part about being creative is more like me I think.
Another comparison will be between Dual-seeking functions. INTps are looking out for extroverted sensing (), INTjs are looking out for extroverted feeling (). Since both functions are the subconscious functions, they are likely to influence the subconscious choices. INTps would want to go power driven, moneymaking, sometimes risky places, whereas INTjs would prefer a happy, cheerful and exciting surrounding.
Here I'd go either way. But I'm leaning more for INTP. Power driven and moneymaking, oh yeah! Risky places, not so much. Happy and exciting surrounding, yeah I guess that's true.
The last comparison - "Hidden agenda". This is what people hide from other people, because it is very sensitive area of one's psyche. If the main function is like a geometric cone firmly standing on its base, the hidden agenda is like the same cone standing on its tip that one is trying to balance. For INTjs their introverted sensing () is their nightmare. Introverted sensing is mainly about the body, its functions, sensory perceptions etc. The only way they can balance that cone is for them to be physically healthy and if this is not that important to you, you are most probably not INTj. INTps are also trying to balance this cone on its head when it comes to introverted feeling (). Introverted feeling is love, affection, morality etc. It is important for an INTp to be involved with someone, to have an object of affection, to like people. If this doesn't concern you, you are probably a type other than INTp.
Very INTP-like here. I do prefer to be physically healthy, but I'm not going to go out of my way to be fit. "It is important for an INTp to be involved with someone, to have an object of affection." This statement made me squirm It was so very me. I don't like to admit this , even to myself, but I can't go very long without having some "object of affection". That reminds me I have some papers to burn. I can't keep putting it off too. One day Kris will find them. And papers are a lot easier to dispose of than bodies. It's a good thing I didn't put my Happy Bunny sticker that says "Love Sucks Major" on it like I thought about doing. They're in my desk drawer for heaven sake! Not the best of hiding places.
In closing, I still don't know which I'm. You can judge. I think I'm about half-and-half. Shadow walker, your bias, so I'd bet you'd peg me as an INTJ. I'm not altogether convinced myself. That's all folks.
INTjs and INTps can have very similar behaviour, interests and even appearance. However, when it comes to intertype relations there is a big difference between these two, because one's Dual is the other's Conflicting type. Also, two INTjs or two INTps can co-exist quite peacefully, whereas an INTj and an INTp do not make a very promising combination. Join any INTj discussion forum or mailing list and you can see this Quasi-identical tension for yourself. This is because there are many INTps among those INTjs.
Why do INTps test as INTjs? Because it is possible that some INTps actually do behave in such way that they could be mistaken for Judging types. The common perception of Perceiving types is as disorganised, unreliable and wavering. There are INTps out there that are, on the contrary, organised, reliable and unwavering or at least they may behave as such. As a result they often score as Js. But let's not forget that type is not about how you behave, it is about how your psyche is structured, which in return influences your behaviour in one way or another. Taking more tests or reading more type descriptions may not give an answer to the INTj/INTp question for the reasons explained above. The right way to distinguish between these two types is by making a comparison on a "molecular" level.
I have thought of the difference between the INTJ and the INTP as being mostly being an organized/disorganized thing before now. I'm organized to a degree; I don't tolerate food or food garbage in my room. But other then that my room is a wreck. I'm reliable, if I remember what you want me to do and am willing to do it. I can be wavering at times but not always. And I'm mostly wavering on things like stem cell research that are controversial anyway.
Let's take a look at INTj's main function - introverted thinking (). INTjs are mainly interested in accumulating an understanding. They want to know why and what causes things happen the way they happen. They want to know and see the logic behind everything. If "it" does not contradict logic then "it" is right, otherwise "it" is wrong. INTps on the other hand seem to be logical too as their second strong function is extroverted thinking (). However, if for INTjs it is about gaining understanding, for INTps it is about exercising their knowledge, and therefore they mostly concern themselves with known facts. Moreover, INTj's logic is their area of confidence and conservatism. This makes their logic fundamental, meaning once the rules are established, they can be applied anywhere. INTps logic is their area of creativity. This makes their logic circumstantial and unpredictable - the rules apply here but may not apply there.
Here I'm more like the INTJ. Accumulating and understudying is very me. I'm always wanting to know why. It really gets ridiculous sometimes. For instance: you tell me how a something works at a cellular level, then I'll want to know how it works at a molecular level, then an atomic level, etc... That why I find String Theory so very, very fascinating. I do like knowing facts though. It's just not as important to me.
The same goes for Intuition. INTp's main function is introverted intuition (). Since introverted intuition is about internal wholeness or belief, this manifests itself in INTps being highly religious and spiritual people. It is also their area of confidence and conservatism and they will not welcome anything that could disturb that internal wholeness. And since you can believe in things that are not necessarily there or actually true, INTps criticise a lot. As for INTjs, their intuition is their second strong function, which is extroverted intuition (). Extroverted intuition is about perspective and potential and because it is INTj's creative output, their "creations" could be very unexpected and original, often bearing a high potential for future development. So, combining two and two together, INTjs are in their element when involved with science, invention, innovation, discovery, theory, explanation, interpretation, philosophy etc. INTps are in their element when involved with business, enterprise, commerce, industry, trade, financial institutions, church etc.
If I'm going to go on the listed areas INT()'s are most in their element, then I'd go INTJ. That part about intuition is their second strong function rings true. That internal wholeness bit is important to me to a degree, but the part about being creative is more like me I think.
Another comparison will be between Dual-seeking functions. INTps are looking out for extroverted sensing (), INTjs are looking out for extroverted feeling (). Since both functions are the subconscious functions, they are likely to influence the subconscious choices. INTps would want to go power driven, moneymaking, sometimes risky places, whereas INTjs would prefer a happy, cheerful and exciting surrounding.
Here I'd go either way. But I'm leaning more for INTP. Power driven and moneymaking, oh yeah! Risky places, not so much. Happy and exciting surrounding, yeah I guess that's true.
The last comparison - "Hidden agenda". This is what people hide from other people, because it is very sensitive area of one's psyche. If the main function is like a geometric cone firmly standing on its base, the hidden agenda is like the same cone standing on its tip that one is trying to balance. For INTjs their introverted sensing () is their nightmare. Introverted sensing is mainly about the body, its functions, sensory perceptions etc. The only way they can balance that cone is for them to be physically healthy and if this is not that important to you, you are most probably not INTj. INTps are also trying to balance this cone on its head when it comes to introverted feeling (). Introverted feeling is love, affection, morality etc. It is important for an INTp to be involved with someone, to have an object of affection, to like people. If this doesn't concern you, you are probably a type other than INTp.
Very INTP-like here. I do prefer to be physically healthy, but I'm not going to go out of my way to be fit. "It is important for an INTp to be involved with someone, to have an object of affection." This statement made me squirm It was so very me. I don't like to admit this , even to myself, but I can't go very long without having some "object of affection". That reminds me I have some papers to burn. I can't keep putting it off too. One day Kris will find them. And papers are a lot easier to dispose of than bodies. It's a good thing I didn't put my Happy Bunny sticker that says "Love Sucks Major" on it like I thought about doing. They're in my desk drawer for heaven sake! Not the best of hiding places.
In closing, I still don't know which I'm. You can judge. I think I'm about half-and-half. Shadow walker, your bias, so I'd bet you'd peg me as an INTJ. I'm not altogether convinced myself. That's all folks.
Monday, February 13, 2006
English major not for me
I'm really hating these past two weeks of schoolwork. In psych I'v had a paper that I've done and a test that I'm finishing up right after this. I was suppose to have already done an interview for another paper in english which I haven't done yet and the rough draft is due tomorrow so I have to do the paper and the interview tonight. Not to mention this sheet about it or something like that and this stupid thing called a reading journal that is not about the paper. I also have to read a short story and do a quiz on it before midnight for reading fiction. It's hard enough trying to remmeber what and when I have to do this homework much less doing it. Talking about it doesn't make it go away though. So I'm off.
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